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之前XX9TXN被竞赛委员会取消了CQWW CW 2016的成绩,理由是有迹象表明他们在比赛中selfspot, 然后OP之一的VR2XAN发公开信辩驳澄清。作为专业参赛30年的老江湖VR2XAN表示这是有人冒充他们捣乱而已,当时他们根本不屑于selfspot, 因为比赛中XX9TXN作为稀有台,根本不缺追逐者,他们简直pileup的不得了,哪有功夫搞这种小技俩。。。不得不说,竞赛委员会被无情揭了老底,还有最后一段骂的精彩!!!都TM怀疑良心了,哈哈哈哈哈哈

The CQWW CW results have been published almost three weeks ago and I needed some time to decide to publish this open letter to the CQWW Contest Committee during upcoming Dayton Hamvention 2017. I think that the Contest Community has to consider the points that I analyzed below.
In the last two years I participated in almost all contests, to achieve the best possible result to participate in the WRTC 2018 after almost 30 years of contesting. Thanks to this hard activity and a lot of sacrifices, finally in September 2016 I was mathematically qualified as a Team Leader in AS#5.
Then to have some fun and to activate a very rare country on CW without any pressure to achieve an important result, I asked some old friends to visit me in Asia and to activate Macao XX9 after 23 years from last “Multi “participation in the CQWW CW dated 1993.
Everything was nice; great fun and great pileup, 24 hours a day, during our short 8 days dxpedition. During the CQWW CW we decided for the entry in the Multi Two category, even if we were just 4 operators. It has been the right choice to permit to everybody to operate and to have a short rest, giving thousands of stations the possibility to contact this rare country on CW.
But the worst thing happens.
In mid-March I received an email from the CQWW Contest Committee where they informed me that our station XX9TXN was Disqualified for self-spotting. Of course in the email the CQWW Contest Committee reported what they considered “strong evidence” to have the right to disqualify our station. Please remember: Evidences, NOT Proofs !
Technically speaking a proof means that if a station is connected through an IP Address to the Internet, and from that IP address you can see spots with one or more different callsigns, then it means that the station self-spotted and it is right to DQ that station. In our case the CQWW CC never wrote this (they could not write this because simply it never happened).
In our case “pirate calls” or “unique calls” (and not friends!) spotted our station and only our station. For the CQWW CC this is a strong evidence that we self-spotted. The funny thing is that some “pirate stations” spotted us with the same callsign but from different countries using a VPN. I.E. JA1AAA spotted XX9TXN through an IP address in Japan, then JA1AAA spotted us through an IP address in USA and then through and IP address in DL. For the CQWW CC this is another evidence that we self-spotted. Of course! It is like to say… “Hey CQWW CC, we are here, please DQ us because this is the easiest way to be discovered!” (LOL).
And then The great truth: a couple of times the “pirate” spot arrived before the RBN. This is a very clear evidence that we self-spotted (OMG!). Pity that during a CQWW CW with thousand of CQing the RBN sometimes reports a call (if you do not have a strong signal like us) even 2 or 3 minutes after the first CQ.
ALL these evidence (not proof) are simply ridiculous!
First of all XX9TXN was one of the rarest stations active during the CQWW CW. During the contest we have had a really great pile up all the time. There were hundreds of stations that spotted us. Did we need to self spot for 6 or 7 times? Really? On CW exist the RBN. It is insane to use the self spotting.
To conclude: we did not have any reason to self spot. We had a huge pile up during the contest, we did not participate to win (we had a field day station) and personally I did not need points for the WRTC qualification because I was already qualified a couple of months before the CQWW.
But now I would like to consider seriously what means “strong evidences” vs. “real proofs”.
Reading again the CQWW Rules at point IX. GENERAL RULES FOR ALL ENTRANTS there are 10 points. Each point has exactly the same importance. If a station violate one of this point it is right that that station must be DQ!
Now I would like to ask to the CQWW Contest Committee members a question: how many of you guys respect in FULL ALL TEN points? Because if you respect in FULL ALL ten points than you are eligible to be part of the CQWW Contest Committee and to DQ other stations that do not respect the rules.
Just to be more clear if someone forgot something:
  1. Entrants must operate within the limits of their chosen category when performing any activity that could impact their submitted score.
2. Do not exceed the total output power limitation of the chosen entry category on any band. Total output power on any band at any time is measured at the output of the active amplifier(s).
As I wrote in the beginning of this open letter, I have 30 years of experience in contests. In the past I met personally almost all of you and I know your stations (like almost everybody knows). When I see the photos of your stations or when I visited your stations, I noticed a lot of amplifiers like OM3500, OM4500, Alpha 77 (2×8877) or Henry 8K or homemade amplifier with a pair of GU78, 3CX3000 or a 4CX10000 or more.
Dear CQWW CC member, is it in your opinion than there is a STRONG EVIDENCE that you are violating the rules? Of course, you can tell me that you use your amplifier at the maximum limit allowed in your chosen category. Even if it is extremely hard to believe, nobody has the real proof that you are cheating and violating the Points 1 and 3 of the GENERAL RULES FOR ALL ENTRANTS.
I am not here to prove that you were violating the rules. This is not my job and I am not interested to do it! I am here to ask you to look at yourself in the mirror because you know what you were doing and how you did operate.
I want to remind you that if you violated the points 1 and 3 of the General Rules, you cheated for 48 hours throughout the duration of the contest. You added hundreds of more QSOs in your log.
Are you ready now to judge other people and to DQ their stations WITHOUT any real PROOF but only because YOU THINK that there is a strong evidence?
I really hope that during this great Dayton Hamvention you can consider carefully and seriously what are the differences between evidence and a real proof.
You DQed XX9TXN without any real proof! Look inside your consciousness (and evaluate your past operations) and tell me if you are the right person to DQ us or other stations, without real proof but just for evidence.
(乃们在没有啥实际的证明的情况下取消了XX9TXN的成绩,丫的还有木有良心?瞅瞅乃们过去的所作所为,没啥真凭实据,告诉我乃们哪有资格取消俺们和其他人的成绩?)
73 de VR2XAN (one of XX9TXN), Alberto Annesi

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CQWW主委这帮卵人也是,除了他们自己,真正玩比赛的人没有多少人会很在意SELFSPOT对成绩增加多少的。
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vr2viy:就意佬的往積, 他報100w 比我們的 1000W 訊號還強. 和他現今在60m 上 用 15W 打雷般的通歐洲,  我確實相信他設備己很好很好, 不須要selfspot.  加上他歐洲的兄弟會每次都積極幫他spot & .. (2017-05-19 11:26)

XAN不会自己做,但有好事之徒,于是就躺着中枪了,二爷估计也是这样中招了。

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现在的CQWW CC不和你讲那么多道理,CC里面大多数是一些比较严肃的比赛爱好者,先是把提交日志的日期缩短到五天,再不断加上一些新的规则,对于发现的疑似违规行为,也从不手软。
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BA7NQ:XAN不会自己做,但有好事之徒,于是就躺着中枪了,二爷估计也是这样中招了。 [表情]
http://www.eham.net/ehamforum/smf/index.php?topic=114989.0
....... (2017-05-20 12:12)

很明显他就是在转band前预先公布出来, 只是是那个猪隊友干的, 他是用vr2ydc call sign 自己干的,还是ydc被意佬干了, 这只有他才清楚。

意佬还不会中文, 叫ydc 教他甚么叫人在做, 天在看。
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vr2viy:很明显他就是在转band前预先公布出来, 只是是那个猪隊友干的, 他是用vr2ydc call sign 自己干的,还是ydc被意佬干了, 这只有他才清楚。
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XAN的事情有点怪异,像似比人做低的感觉,可能有人因此得益...
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bg9gxm:看到第三自然段 我就先骂一句 怎么能是rare country呢?活该被取消成绩[表情]  (2017-05-20 20:40) 

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