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[讨论]EchoLink目前在大陆使用的合法性 [复制链接]

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离线flutters
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只看该作者 40楼 发表于: 2006-02-27
法律上无规定就是不违法
在线bd6oc
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只看该作者 41楼 发表于: 2006-02-28
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法律没有禁止的就是合法。
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同意!!!
离线bd4ru
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只看该作者 42楼 发表于: 2006-02-28
我认为:我们个人通过网络操作国外的发射设备和当地ham 通连是合法的
   
但把自己的设备挂在网上,国外的ham通过互联网操作这个设备,其合法性需要讨论。估计比较难界定。要正式从官方拿到批准,可能比开放业余电台还难。恐怕需要出台专门针对这种中继的执照。偶尔玩玩还行,要正式设置中继了,影响大了恐怕还是会有麻烦。
离线bg7jmz
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只看该作者 43楼 发表于: 2006-02-28
谁主张,谁举证.没有法律条文明确违法即可认为到目前为止不犯法.
离线loverslcn
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只看该作者 44楼 发表于: 2006-02-28
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我们国家法律上是这样规定的,事实上正好相反,要办事情必须有“同意”的文件,而不是找不到“不同意”的文件就能够办,呵呵。
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我国处于社会主义初级阶段,
还一百年不变。。。。。。
离线BG6TSO
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只看该作者 45楼 发表于: 2006-02-28
没事找事做~呵呵 也就是2个字“无聊”
离线BH1IEO
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只看该作者 46楼 发表于: 2009-06-26
只要大家玩的即高兴又增进了感情,认不认可无所谓。
离线BH3MDE小姚
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只看该作者 47楼 发表于: 2009-06-27
这个问题不好说,多元化。

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邮箱:bh3mde@hotmail.com
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(做呼号车牌和胸牌可以找我,很经济实用)
离线BG6QCN
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只看该作者 48楼 发表于: 2009-07-27
在中国,无论任何事物,party说是合法的就是合法的,party说是不合法的那就是不合法的,party今天说这个是合法的不代表它明天还是合法的,party今天说这个是不合法的也不代表它明天还是不合法的,合法与否根据party需要来定,不服的请移民,谢谢!
离线BG4GMM
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只看该作者 49楼 发表于: 2009-07-28
领导说 合法就合法 不合法也合法
领导说 不合法也合法 合法也不合法
一切领导说了算
离线BG6QCN
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只看该作者 50楼 发表于: 2009-07-28
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领导说 合法就合法 不合法也合法
领导说 不合法也合法 合法也不合法
一切领导说了算
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恭喜,您上道了!
离线BD7OXR
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只看该作者 51楼 发表于: 2009-07-29
现在没有谁说echolink不合法,你使用肯定没有问题。只是用echolink通联的卡片肯定只能作为纪念,不能用于无线电通联的合法卡片是应该的。否则就失去了无线电通联的意义!
离线BH1IEO
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只看该作者 52楼 发表于: 2009-07-29
同意楼上的看法,只要有利于ham相互学习无线电知识、交流经验、增进友谊使用就是合理的。说

到法那就是领导们的事情了,国外都没有定论这是违法,咱们就别费脑筋争论了。
离线BG1HTG
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只看该作者 53楼 发表于: 2010-12-28
换成了小区宽带后,2次路由, 2 次内部ip地址, 没法穿透了。
离线BH1IEO
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只看该作者 54楼 发表于: 2010-12-28
楼上不成试试代理软件。
离线BA1AK
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只看该作者 55楼 发表于: 2010-12-30
echolin不用代理也能用吧?
离线BG6UBK
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只看该作者 56楼 发表于: 2011-01-16
第1章 什么是业余无线电?

如果你问十个火腿(业余无线电爱好者的同义词),什么是业余无线电,你可能得到十个不同的答案。业余无线电是一种以无线电通联为方式、以无线电研究为目的的个人业余爱好。对不同的火腿,业余无线电有不同的吸引力。例如,有些火腿喜欢使用手持电台或车载电台,与本国、本省、本市的火腿通联;有些火腿喜欢使用短波电台,与全世界各国的火腿通联;有些火腿喜欢将电台与计算机结合起来,利用无线电-数字混合技术,与国内外火腿交换各种信息;有些火腿喜欢参加国内外的各种通联竞赛,以获得奖状为最大乐趣;当然,也有许多火腿喜欢上面提到的所有通联方式。
离线BA1HAM
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只看该作者 57楼 发表于: 2011-02-09
我觉得这个讨论题的提出是业余无线电守则“进步progress”的精益求精风格的表现,几年来的讨论是有益的。

echolink涉及无线电和互联网两方面的守法性问题。就现有法律、法规、规章来看,以业余无线电技术研究和灾害条件下的业余无线电应急通信为目的的echolink实验活动应该没有什么违法的地方。

不像5楼说的那样“别让无委知道”,国家无线电管理部门是了解这些动向的。echolink这类“无线电的互联网接入”方式实际上也是当代通信系统非常普遍的做法。前年工信部无线电管理局局长谢飞波在苏州和火腿座谈时还专门谈到类似的问题,希望我国的业余无线电能探索在现代环境里发挥活力的道路,在业余无线电应急通信中充分与社会上的先进通信平台相结合,提高业余无线电的通信能力。

我对这段话的解读和理解是,echolink曾经在印度洋海啸中发挥过作用。就我国国情而言,突发类似汶川地震这样的毁灭性重大灾害时,确保灾区第一时间第一地点向外报出灾害详情还是艰巨的任务。虽然国际电联(itu)和国内有识之士都认识到幸存的灾区短波业余电台将是极其宝贵的资源,但由于传播的本性,如果不能在只能依赖于短波的直达灾区的一跨以外形成现高效的现代化的信息支持平台,这种资源的功效会大大折扣。也就是说我国的火腿不但要从echolink中学习,还应该针对国情开发满足新功能的类似于echolink的无线电互联网接入系统。

关于业余无线电,虽然每个业余无线电爱好者由于经历等原因会有不同的理解,但在全世界还是有非常一致的基本定义的,否则代表那么多国家、行业、集团的国际电联会议就不可能为业余无线电爱好者保留那么多的基本利益(频率资源)。国内翻译了不少外国火腿书籍(例如美国),是很好的学习资料,但其中有些看法也只是反映了一部分火腿的个人认识,要得到更全面和准确的印象,还需要结合阅读fcc、arrl、iaru的资料才好。

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离线BG8SF
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只看该作者 58楼 发表于: 2011-02-09
讨论得真激烈!
离线BH1IEO
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只看该作者 59楼 发表于: 2011-02-10
ilink was born in may 2001, when graeme barnes, m0csh, released the first version of his windows based internet linking system, to provide a windows based alternative to irlp, with the added feature of direct connections from the internet. ilink was the predecessor to echolink.
in mid 2002, a new client program, echolink. written by k1rfd, arrived on the scene. written to be compatible with ilink, it offered several features which the original ilink software didn't have, and echolink rapidly became popular. echolink also offered a simple means to interface a radio to the software, using a home brew interface similar to those used for psk-31, sstv and other computer generated modes, making gateway operation more attractive.
some weeks after echolink's arrival, the ilink and echolink server networks were split. while this split was intended to give people choice in whether they wanted to interace with some of the extra echolink features, the net result was that the ilink users moved to echolink, and ilink has very little activity. as of october 2002, ilink appears to have gone to a closed commercial model of distribution.
in recent times, several amateurs have started work with the echolink protocols and have written some open source implementations of echolink conference server and client software. the conference server, called thebridge, though very new has proved to be extremely robust. it runs on almost any unix like system, as well as windows.
echolink has a couple of things in common with irlp. firstly, it allows radio connected nodes to be controlled by dtmf commands. secondly, it uses a dedicated hardware interface board between the radio and the computer. however, at this time, the hardware control is one one way (ptt only). the received audio is still s amp led by a vox routine in the echolink software. unlike the original ilink sysop software, echolink also supports hardware cos detection (like irlp) and simple psk-31 style radio interfaces. more recently, a linux client, echolinux, has been written, making echolink the first cross platform linking system.
echolink also supports both point to point and conference connections. there are access control settings which allow the user to control whether repeaters, links, pc based users or conferences are allowed to be connected to their system, or any combination of the above. echolink also supports access control by callsign prefix or user defined allow and deny lists. within limits imposed by access control settings at each end, computer based users can call other computer based users, or they can call rf links and get out on air. similarly, rf users can key in a computer user's index number and call them from the mobile. the computer interface is, for the most part, simple and well laid out, and offers very good audio quality.
on the security front, when a new user registers on the echolink network for the first time, they are denied access until their callsign is verified as being legitimate. once verification is successful, then the user is issued an index number, and can log into their account from other pcs using their index number and password. there has been debate in the amateur community about the degree of authentication deemed necessary (and whether the above is sufficient) for computer access to linked systems. there have been a number of improvements to the underlying security mechanism, during the life of echolink.
echolink's computer access is a mixed blessing. on one hand, it allows one to experience internet linking without having to setup a gateway in their local area. however, i also find it annoying being called by other computer based users and getting interrupted. when i was using ilink, i used to only run it to make a call. now, i run an echolink (actually echoirlp) gateway, so callers can try their luck on the radio here.
echolink doesn't support swls (except on scanners within range of a gateway), but a number of node and conference owners have setup streaming audio feeds for swls to enjoy.
echolink, like irlp, supports sysop installed scripts, which allow the functionality of echolink to be extended in any way. the limitation is usually the imagination of the echolink community. there are a large number of scripts available for sysops to install.
in summary, echolink offers a relatively simple way to setup an internet link, with support for direct connections, as well as dtmf controlled rf links. i have been running echolink as an rf gateway for some time. it is a well behaved and stable system with good audio quality, and a good interface for both pc based and rf users. echolink is also under active development by both the original author and open source developers, and is the first system to support multiple platforms (currently, windows, macintosh, linux and java). echolink can also be supported by irlp nodes, using the echoirlp add-on scripts for irlp. the new conference server software gives echolink the same scalability as irlp reflectors, enabling large nets (limited only by available bandwidth) to take place on the system.