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离线lulu1113
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只看该作者 120楼 发表于: 2009-02-10
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都是看了你那个介绍vna的帖子之后才中毒的
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只看该作者 121楼 发表于: 2009-02-10
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那位好心人先借给我一套,或让给我一套,我有个项目很着急的,谢谢了!
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手头有上一版的空白pcb,要不您先凑活用用?
元器件我找找看。一套主要ic应该还能翻出来的。关键的0.1%的电阻也有的。就是有不少电容需要你自己想办法了。我这里用完了。

这一版的pcb还在改。三月前应该套件可以出来。
离线bd7tq
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只看该作者 122楼 发表于: 2009-02-10
lulu1113, 晶体的等效电路计算很简单,主要是他用错公式了.
下面是n2pk的mail,这个公式是正确的,没问题,但是简化了的.
你可以发给作者.

re: [n2pk-vna] using vna to measure crystal parameters


hi pete,

> does anyone have experience of measuring crystal motional parameters?
> i would be interested to hear from anyone who can recommend a
> procedure for doing this using the n2pk vna. i can see how to measure
> c0 and rs, but i am not sure of the best approach for measuring lm and
> cm.

i've measured many crystals with my vna. have built several filters based
on those measurements that performed as expected.

without going into a lot of detail here, there are several published works
by wes hayward, bill carver, doug demaw, ja hardcastle, and others that offer
crystal model values based on various measurements, as well as filter design
techniques.

generally i do my calcs in a 123 spreadsheet, based on reflection measurements
as follows:

1. measure co at a frequency sufficiently far from the crystal resonant
frequencies. if you vary the frequency and co stays the same, then you're
far enough away.
2. calibrate the vna near the expected series resonance. make sure you have
the vna frequency calibrated using a counter, wwv, wwvb, or whatever.
3. measure fs where z=r+jx=r+j0. this also determines rs=r.
4. measure the frequency, f1, where angle(z)=-45 deg. if f1 isn't less than
fs, then something's wrong.
6. most of the computations in the references determine lm and cm based on
transmission measurements.

instead, my reflection measurement uses:

cm = (fs-f1)/(rs*pi*fs^2)

and

lm = 1/(((2*pi*fs)^2)*cm)

and

q = fs/(2*(fs-f1))

most crystals are very sensitive to heating from your fingers, so handle them
only with tweezers or needlenose pliers.

i have also made pi holder capacitance model parameters using a transmission
at the frequency where co was determined to separate out lead to lead
capacitance from the two lead to case capacitances.

vna frequency calibration accuracy can be critical, especially for narrow
filters.
if you measure crystals on different days, re-check frequecny calibration and
try
tp maintain the same room temperature as well.

hope i translated my spreadsheet into the equations here correctly.

--
73,
paul, n2pk

see the n2pk vna at:
http://n2pk.com
离线bd7tq
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只看该作者 123楼 发表于: 2009-02-10
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还在修改电路,画pcb,翻译vna的软件,找软件中晶体等效电路部分存在的bug。
软件作者正要修改关于晶体等效电路部分的软件算法。
所以,如果有各位发现晶体等效电路这里测试出现奇怪的现象的。欢迎及时报告。
需要的数据:1.当时的校准数据,cal后缀的。
      2.扫描后的结果,图片文件和csv文件。
      3.hkey_current_user\software\g8kbb\myvna 目录下的注册表文件
有了这些文件,可以让软件作者分析问题所在。 [表情]
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把n2pk的公式直接给作者就可以了,不需要osl数据等.作者看了修改下他的公式就可以了.
离线bd7tq
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只看该作者 124楼 发表于: 2009-02-10
lulu1113 我想做双路的adc, 是否能提供pcb.还有以下元件

74act1284×4
cy7c68013ax2
lm2596×4

其他的东西就不需要了.
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只看该作者 125楼 发表于: 2009-02-10
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lulu1113 我想做双路的adc, 是否能提供pcb.还有以下元件
74act1284×4
cy7c68013ax2
lm2596×4
其他的东西就不需要了.
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您要两片pcb? 双路的adc在一块板子上面就集成了。
离线lulu1113
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只看该作者 126楼 发表于: 2009-02-10
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lulu1113, 晶体的等效电路计算很简单,主要是他用错公式了.
下面是n2pk的mail,这个公式是正确的,没问题,但是简化了的.
你可以发给作者.
re: [n2pk-vna] using vna to measure crystal parameters
hi pete,
> does anyone have experience of measuring crystal motional parameters?
> i would be interested to hear from anyone who can recommend a
> procedure for doing this using the n2pk vna. i can see how to measure
> c0 and rs, but i am not sure of the best approach for measuring lm and
> cm.
i've measured many crystals with my vna. have built several filters based
on those measurements that performed as expected.
without going into a lot of detail here, there are several published works
by wes hayward, bill carver, doug demaw, ja hardcastle, and others that offer
crystal model values based on various measurements, as well as filter design
techniques.
generally i do my calcs in a 123 spreadsheet, based on reflection measurements
as follows:
1. measure co at a frequency sufficiently far from the crystal resonant
frequencies. if you vary the frequency and co stays the same, then you're
far enough away.
2. calibrate the vna near the expected series resonance. make sure you have
the vna frequency calibrated using a counter, wwv, wwvb, or whatever.
3. measure fs where z=r+jx=r+j0. this also determines rs=r.
4. measure the frequency, f1, where angle(z)=-45 deg. if f1 isn't less than
fs, then something's wrong.
6. most of the computations in the references determine lm and cm based on
transmission measurements.
instead, my reflection measurement uses:
cm = (fs-f1)/(rs*pi*fs^2)
and
lm = 1/(((2*pi*fs)^2)*cm)
and
q = fs/(2*(fs-f1))
most crystals are very sensitive to heating from your fingers, so handle them
only with tweezers or needlenose pliers.
i have also made pi holder capacitance model parameters using a transmission
at the frequency where co was determined to separate out lead to lead
capacitance from the two lead to case capacitances.
vna frequency calibration accuracy can be critical, especially for narrow
filters.
if you measure crystals on different days, re-check frequecny calibration and
try
tp maintain the same room temperature as well.
hope i translated my spreadsheet into the equations here correctly.
--
73,
paul, n2pk
see the n2pk vna at:
http://n2pk.com
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这个是在那个n2pk的群里面的message吗?
如果是的话,那么软件作者应该看过的,在那个群里面,他叫david529007 (呼号g8kbb),我会写封邮件给他提醒一下他的。
谢谢!
离线bd7tq
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只看该作者 127楼 发表于: 2009-02-11
是yahoo groups里,但这个信息比较早了,估计2003年的,g8kbb可能没看到. 我是search 出来的.
我要两块pcb,想做两套啊,一套给我们这另外个ham. 我在#126搂提的器件,你现在有没+pcb? 站内短消息我吧.我想做150,400mhz的系统.
离线BA3CE
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只看该作者 128楼 发表于: 2009-02-26
先上一个山寨版反射电桥,照相机借人了,手机排的凑合吧。
主机的油漆未干,明天正式上一个照片。
再次感谢楼主的帮助。
离线BA3CE
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只看该作者 129楼 发表于: 2009-02-26
准备贴在反射电桥的标签
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只看该作者 130楼 发表于: 2009-02-27
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先上一个山寨版反射电桥,照相机借人了,手机排的凑合吧。
主机的油漆未干,明天正式上一个照片。
再次感谢楼主的帮助。
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学做一个,给个原理和结构图?
离线lulu1113
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只看该作者 131楼 发表于: 2009-02-27
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学做一个,给个原理和结构图? [表情]
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原理图就是n2pk的那个fast detector里面的那个。不过这个板子3ce重新画板做过,为了适合这个壳子。
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只看该作者 132楼 发表于: 2009-02-27
慢慢来,不急,继续等.
离线BA3CE
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只看该作者 133楼 发表于: 2009-02-27
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原理图就是n2pk的那个fast detector里面的那个。不过这个板子3ce重新画板做过,为了适合这个壳子。
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正解,呵呵
离线BA3CE
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只看该作者 134楼 发表于: 2009-02-27
正式装壳的照片。
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只看该作者 135楼 发表于: 2009-02-27
由于一直忙着做壳,没顾上仔细测试整机,今天仔细测试,发现lo在通电3-10分钟就会乱跑,但这时dds rf输出正常,正在查找原因。
这两幅图是在lo正常时和lo刚出现异常时对一个假负载的测试结果,在持续一会儿,就会出现就是电桥的dut端开路都会出现vswr在0.6-60m内保持3以内的测试结果。
估计是lo的9851焊接问题或是坏了。
离线BA3CE
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只看该作者 136楼 发表于: 2009-02-27
补充一句,断电后过一会再通电又会暂时正常。
离线BA3CE
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只看该作者 137楼 发表于: 2009-03-01
向大家报告最新战报:
开始和李路同学反复研讨,初步判定是lo的ad9851 损坏,李路同学昨天寄来的ad9851,今天收到,换掉原来的9851不但故障没有恢复,反而更严重,原来故障是在5-10分钟出现,换了9851后故障会在10-30秒就出现,还是表现为频率计显示频率乱跑。那示波器仔细观看lo输出,发现频率基本是对的就是严重的相位抖动。继续和李路qq探讨,换掉9851的退耦电容,换掉dac的那个2k电阻都是无效,本来想休息了,明天再搞,突然想起还有一个李路同学赠送的156.29m的泛音晶振(原先板子上焊接的是144.8的温补晶振),当即故障排除。明早我定做的148.344的温补晶振就可以拿到,倒时在测试一下。
但是这个问题,我还是百思不得其解,要是真的是主振问题,那么rf dds输出怎么一点问题没有?而且这个故障还和时间有关?请大家共同探讨。
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只看该作者 138楼 发表于: 2009-03-01
补充一句,用了泛音晶体后,短期稳定度不是很好,每分钟可能有+-5hz的变化。
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只看该作者 139楼 发表于: 2009-03-02
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148.344的温补晶振
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