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有人做过Spiderbeam(蜘蛛网)天线吗? [复制链接]

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离线BD6AS
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只看该作者 20楼 发表于: 2006-03-02
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2年前看过,但是没有详细的尺寸,还有玻璃钢棒也比较麻烦
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离线BD4OS
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只看该作者 21楼 发表于: 2006-03-02
大家热烈讨论一下,置疑也欢迎啊!
离线BA7NQ
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只看该作者 22楼 发表于: 2006-03-02
总之,这类型的变种2单元yagi,不会比dp差,放心仿制吧。 :d
离线BA5DX
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只看该作者 23楼 发表于: 2006-03-02
这个好像是是三单元的
离线bd4rs
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只看该作者 24楼 发表于: 2006-03-02
与a3s或a4s比如何?
离线BD4OS
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只看该作者 25楼 发表于: 2006-03-03
是的,这是3单元的变形yagi,效果应该等同于全尺寸的3单元yagi,比缩短型3单元yagi效果要好。

有一点差异,比如前瓣与旁瓣比例小于标准yagi,也就是方向角不够尖锐,但也有优点,比如全波段内性能平稳,当然这都是作者写的,不过我感觉不至于睁眼说瞎话吧!而且有详细的指标数据,这个是很重要的,有争议的天线大都只是强调效果如何如何好却不提供有用的可比数据。
离线bd4uam
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只看该作者 26楼 发表于: 2006-03-03
希望有一个详细的制作介绍.
离线BD4OS
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只看该作者 27楼 发表于: 2006-03-03
我也正在等待7igg的详细资料!
离线BA5DX
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只看该作者 28楼 发表于: 2006-03-03
从结构图上看,似乎激励振子和引向 反射振子不在同一平面内
离线BD4OS
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只看该作者 29楼 发表于: 2006-03-03
我从一片德文的资料中节选了以下数据,可供参考!
附件: spiderbeam_bauanleitung_deutsch.pdf (0 K) 下载次数:3573
离线BD4OS
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只看该作者 30楼 发表于: 2006-03-03
看了以下的说明,这个天线应该不劣于标准3单元yagi天线,甚至很多方面高于标准3单元yagi!
我真是越来越喜欢他了!

with such a design, several challenges mut be met:

1. minimal interaction:
this is the biggest challenge with any multiband antenna: we need to find a design where the interaction between the monobanders is minimal. after endless nec computer modeling and testing runs, the final spider beam dimensions evolved. they have negligible interaction, resulting in near-monoband performance on each band.

2. uncritical design:
special attention has been paid to come up with a forgiving design. the spacing of the wire elements is not critical, which is quite an important point: this antenna will not only have good performance in the ideal world of a computer model. it will also perform equally well in real life (where it may bend and flex in high winds) - even when it is put up "quick and dirty" on a dxpedition (where nobody has time to tune and prune a critical system). the spiderbeam users only need to pay attention during the very first set-up, to make sure the wire elements are cut exactly to the given dimensions. once this job is completed carefully, the antenna will always perform well, and the repeatability is very good.

3. feeding system:
another challenge with most multiband antennas is the feeding system. a very simple and robust solution could be found here. the 3 driven elements are 3 separate dipoles that are all tied together in one common feedpoint. the trick is to space the dipole centers apart and use short pieces of symmetric transmission line to interconnect them. this minimizes the interaction and results in a very forgiving and broadband, low loss multiband dipole. the feed point impedance is 50 Ω, fed directly through a w1jr type current choke balun. no phasing lines or lossy matching devices to worry about. a single coax cable can be used for feeding up to 5 bands without problem.

4. corrosion protection:
the driven elements and short pieces of symmetric feedline are manufactured in once piece, leaving no electrical joints open for corrosion. the same is true for all reflector and director wire elements. all active parts of the antenna are protected by a very tough pe coating, protecting them against the environment for many years. there simply are no corrosion problems with such a wire antenna! this is a huge benefit over aluminium antennas (especially if traps are involved), whose performance can suffer greatly once corrosion starts to set in.

5. mechanical strength:
the fiberglass tubes will take a lot of beating, since they are very flexible. the antenna will flex in the wind but it will not break. remember a strong and flexible material will often outlive a brittle and rigid material. this is especially true for the reinforced fiberglass tubes which are used in the heavy duty version - these are very strong tubes but still highly flexible.
another trick is the extensive guying with kevlar lines. each spreader is guyed 4 times (up/down/left/right) - a concept very well known from sailboat masts. of course all other parts used in the kit are uv ray and weather resistant.
for the wire elements, we use top quality "cq-532" wire from the wireman in our antenna kits, and recommend it to all homebrew users as well. this wire will not stretch at all, which is really important. otherwhise the resonant frequencies of the parasitic elements may change, and the good antenna performance is lost.

6. optimized for portable operation:
the mechanical construction was carefully optimized for portable installation on lightweight push-up masts. the special mounting plate ensures that the mast goes right through the antenna center of gravity, instead of putting the antenna on the side of the mast. antenna weight and vertical torque momentum are optimally distributed on the mast and rotator, greatly reducing the load on these parts and making extending or retracting the push-up mast much easier. a great variety of mast diameters can be used (30-60mm) and nearly no tools are necessary (only two #10 spanners). the spreaders are made from 20 identical fiberglass tube segments - introducing some redundance and greatly improving repeatability when compared to telescopic tubing. the wire elements and balun are mounted with velcro straps - a very quick and surprisingly strong method, at the same time maintaining the antenna's flexibility - and even serving as a nice and soft stress relief device. (in the heavy heavy duty permanent version, the velcro is replaced by v2a clamps with a rubber padding).



conclusion:
the spider beam is a trapless multiband yagi constructed of 3 interlaced monobanders, making it a highly efficient antenna and simple construction. the driven element is a directly fed multiband dipole, again contributing to a simple, broadband and low-loss construction. the design is very forgiving, provided the wire elements were cut exactly in the beginning and high quality (non-stretch) wire is used. the mechanical design is optimized for quick, lightweight portable installations, using high quality materials for good reproduceability and a long life without performance degradation.
离线BD4OS
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只看该作者 31楼 发表于: 2006-03-03
这个图可以看出馈电振子的结构!
离线bg9hu
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只看该作者 32楼 发表于: 2006-03-03
太好了,不知道两个交叉的主梁用什么材料好用?轻且结实?
离线bg9hu
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只看该作者 33楼 发表于: 2006-03-03
那位出个套件吧,500以下应该可以搞定!带个电视用的小旋转器!
离线BD4OS
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只看该作者 34楼 发表于: 2006-03-04
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那位出个套件吧,500以下应该可以搞定!带个电视用的小旋转器!
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兄弟,这一套就是500以下不过不带旋转器,你到上面的网站可以邮购!  
离线BG1DRJ
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只看该作者 35楼 发表于: 2006-03-04
500欧元吧
已经考虑很久了,具做过的朋友介绍架设比较麻烦,有强度/抗老化的玻璃钢管,铜包钢的镇子线(需经抗老化/防紫外线)比较难找.
出套件是好事,可是以前的那个介绍这个天线提出商品化的仿制不太好.
离线BA5DX
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只看该作者 36楼 发表于: 2006-03-04
偶在想 如果没有铜包钢丝,不如试试不锈钢丝
离线bd4rs
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只看该作者 37楼 发表于: 2006-03-04
蜘蛛网,名副其实啊.
从我的感觉来说,如果与a3s或a4s比结构复杂点,看了照片还是得用升降杆,而且组装起来不比a3s或a4s简单.价格300-450欧元也不便宜.
如果买的话我选择a3s或a4s,
如果自制这个天线还是很合算的.
小的照片是a3s.后两张是去年在车牛山岛上架设的a4s.
离线BD4OS
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只看该作者 38楼 发表于: 2006-03-04
我刚才比较了两个天线的增益和驻波比,发现spiderbeam的驻波明显好于a3s和a4s,表现在整个波段比较平坦,而a3s则呈现一个明显的v型,而且在整个波段的前向增益保持在5%的波动范围!

比较增益时发现一个问题,就是spiderbeam提供了free space和架高15米的不同增益(7dbi/12dbi),而a3s只是提供了一个未经说明的增益8dbi,但根据spiderbeam作者说spiderbeam天线相当于横梁6-7米的全尺寸yagi,而a3s横梁大概为4.27米(增益8dbi),所以猜测a3s公布的增益应该也是架高的增益,至于架高多少就需要再确认了,如果这个假设成立,spiderbeam就比a3s性能高多了!
离线bg9hu
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只看该作者 39楼 发表于: 2006-03-04
振子好解决,直接用电线拉倒!
关键是两个交叉的横梁,到底怎么解决?希望做过的朋友谈谈经验.
今天考虑用竹竿,但估计是太沉,再者长度不够.鱼杆不知道怎么样?是不是代价太大,有没有合适的鱼杆?