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Expedition to Tromelin 2014  FT4TA,大餐一个接一个啊! [复制链接]

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只看该作者 40楼 发表于: 2014-11-03
昨晚15米居然看到 no EU f**k EU的,看来EU墙比J墙还厚
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只看该作者 41楼 发表于: 2014-11-06
Our pilots gave some information and here ‘s what we can say:

Pileups are still big and wide, we do our best to find the best balance between rates and bandwidth usage…be sure of the fact there’s thousands still calling and the only reason we use many Khz…

We know many of you still need Tromelin for an all time new one. So narrowing pileups too much would not be good for you. Also there is no band open where we can stay “all day long”. Again today the log shows lot’s of new “uniques”. Keep your fingers crossed, you’ll make it !

Excellent propagation makes some bands open at the same time for JA – EU and NA. Everyone has his best time. We are trying to give the same chances to everyone. Some areas have narrower windows, so PLEASE respect our instructions. When you are not listening to us, everyone is just wasting time. Operators at FT4TA won’t get you if they are not calling your area. Please allow us to do a good job.

We have been able to enjoy some short openings with the west-coast on the LP, we will try again according to our propagation schedule. We will keep our efforts on low bands and try again to be on 160-80 and 40 at our SS. 80m SSB was not in our plans and we are not sure to try again as conditions on this band are not the best for SSB. Remember we are not here to give you all band/slot, so we will come again on this band/mode only if we estimate conditions are good enough for most of you.

We keep fingers crossed but haven’t faced any problem or difficulties so far. Everyone has found a good rythmn, working radio until falling asleep on the keyboard, eat, sleep, radio, repeat. I’m sure you’ve noticed most of the six stations are active all day long. Everyone is tired but over-motivated to satisfy the entire community.

Remember to give your help via our pilots. We exchange emails on a daily basis via the satellite, we do not have any other internet access (no cluster, phone, etc).

We hope you appreciate finding your QSOs on LoTW.
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只看该作者 42楼 发表于: 2014-11-06
没有网络,看不到SPOT,我们也很累,我们会尽可能满足全世界的疯子,所以会把UP拉得比较开;  指定区域时,不要强插,我们是不会理的;80米SSB是不计划出来了,但会争取在我们这里太阳落山时更多在40-160上出来。每个人合适的时间有机会跟我们通联上,关键看您是不是把握得住。





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只看该作者 43楼 发表于: 2014-11-06
看来很诚恳
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只看该作者 44楼 发表于: 2014-11-08
我想通,但没有机器,我离他可能只有几百公里。我已经在马达加斯加上。

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只看该作者 48楼 发表于: 2014-11-08
今天各波段听了一下 就早上40米有听到 但信号很弱
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bd2fw:今天各波段听了一下 就早上40米有听到 但信号很弱[表情]  (2014-11-08 18:53) 

UPDATE – We are now on the final lane of our operation. We will start to dismantle most of the antennas on Sunday because all equipment must be packed and stored in big plastic cases for transportation. The boxes will be transported from Tromelin to France in the coming months. We plan to keep all stations running but not on all bands for the last night. Estimated QRT time is around 0100z Monday.

For the coming 3 days, we want to focus on stations looking for Tromelin for an All Time New One (ATNO). Even if we made our best to give opportunities to everyone, there’s still a lot of work to do and we’ll try to do it as well as possible.

We kindly ask those having already a lot of QSO with us or with past operations to give a chance to others. This is HAM SPIRIT !

17 and 20m are the best bands for an ATNO and we will try to keep 2 stations on those bands. During daylight, 20m and 17m are almost dead and start to wake-up in the afternoon and works well up to the middle of the night.

We worked on low bands with some West coast and Pacific stations at our sunrise and sunset. We will try to continue to have 40/80 and 160m at these moment +/- 1h. Today again we worked many US on 80 at our SS. We were also on 160 but with no luck. We will try agin tomorrow. We now know we have a good RX towards EU-NA, but still need to improve JA side.

We ask other stations to be cooperative. Too often, our TX frequencies get deliberate QRM, especially on low bands. We are aware of this when reports need to be sent 10 times for each station. To avoid time losses, we are doing a QSY to another band or mode. Yes, that’s a pity !

We made the request of our LoTW certificate just before our departure and sent all documentations to the ARRL HQ. Once on the island, we sent the remaining document to let them validate the certificate. We took the decision to upload immediately the log on LoTW (during the operation). This is a simple way to thank all of you for your help and support and we think that’s part of a good operation when possible.

We are now close to the 60K contacts. We are very tired due to the lack of sleep but we are ready for the last weekend ! Good luck to all of you !
(7号发的公告)
我们将在周一UTC1:00 QRT,周日开始收拾大部份天线与设备;未来3天,我们将尽可能与那些对他们来讲是ALL BAND NEW ONE的人通联,在这里郑重呼吁:那些已经与我们有很多QSO或者以前的远征通联过的,尽可能让出机会让其他ALL BAND NEW ONE的人来通,这是一种HAM精神。
我们会继续在太阳升起与落下的时候在低波段工作,这里的160米,对西部要好一些,对JA这方向的接收有待提高,160米的干扰很大,为了节省时间,我们有时会转到其它波段。
我们提供了LOTW。
我们现在将近6万QSO,非常地累了,但我们会在站好最后这个周末这一岗。祝你们好运!
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未来3天,我们将尽可能与那些对他们来讲是ALL BAND NEW ONE的人通联,在这里郑重呼吁:那些已经与我们有很多QSO或者以前的远征通联过的,尽可能让出机会让其他ALL BAND NEW ONE的人来通,这是一种HAM精神。
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今早 40米也听不到了。
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只看该作者 51楼 发表于: 2014-11-10
看装备天线淸单,这是一支渔杆党嘛!有天线更多的细节信息吗?对海岛远征有借鉴意义。
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只看该作者 52楼 发表于: 2014-11-10
看到光头几乎大满贯了
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只看该作者 54楼 发表于: 2014-11-10
Congrats to the FT4TA team.

There has been much discussion about the unruly pile-ups and deliberate QRM etc.

I personally think there is little that can be done to improve the behavior of the unruly mob. I do however think there could be some changes to standard DXpedition procedure which would possibly help improve caller behaviour. It is much easier to change the practices of seven people than what it is to change the practices of 25,000.

Most major DXpeditions these days seem to have the following goals, listed in order of priority:

1. Give out an all time new one on any band to as many as possible
2 Provide at least 1 ssb, one cw and one digital qso to as many as possible (ie 3 qsos – not 3 qsos per band)
3 Provide at least one qso per band to as many as possible.

I think it is fair to say, that the quicker these goals are achieved by a dxpedition then the less QRM and unruly pile-up behavior we are likely to have (ie this bad behaviour tends to reduce as demand for the dxpedition itself is reduced)

If I am correct in this, then there are current dxpedition practices which just do not make any sense to me.

If we take the FT4 DXpedition as an example.

Why would a DXpedition start with 160 metre activity? If you have four stations and the number one goal is to get as many first timers (ATNO) in the log as quickly as possible, why would you not start on 30, 20,17 and 15M and work these bands to death. Strangely, FT4TA worked 160M quite actively on days 1 and 2 and then did virtually no 160 at all toward the end of the dxpedition. This is not consistent with the goal order listed above.

Why a RTTY station from commencement of the dxpedition across multiple bands. The RTTY station should work on just one band only (probably 20 metres) and even then, this should occur only after goal 1 is largely achieved. Otherwise the direct result is that you get callers working RTTY slots across multiple bands (early in the dxpedition) which slows down the achievement of goal number 1 above.

Why work cw, ssb and RTTY on the low bands in the early stages of the dxpedition. Until the above three goals are largely met, activity on 30, 40, 80 and 160 should be cw only. The low bands are tougher for both dxpedition operator and callers, the qso rate is lower. Why slow things down even more by offering ssb and RTTY on these bands as well which again just tempts the “big guns” to work ssb, cw and rtty slots on each of these bands.

Activity on 160 metres is often sacrificed on the basis that the qso rate can be low once the the “big gun” stations are worked. One way around this is to advertise pre dxpedition that during hours of darkness the dxpedition will spend 10 mins at the top of each hour cqing on 160. If there are stations to be worked at a good rate then the dxpedition can continue for longer on 160. If there are no stations to be worked then the dxpedition can return to other bands where the qso rate is higher and only 10 minutes per darkness hour is wasted. FT4TA actually started on 160, which is directly opposed to the list of goals listed above and then strangely did not work hardly any 160 at all when goals 1 and 2 above had been largely achieved.

The wide splits used by FT4TA were cited as a problem and also a possible cause of deliberate QRM. Why do dxpeditions use the most highly trafficked part of the band to operate wide splits? On 10 metres for instance, the band space above 28.600 is rarely used by any one. Why not operate 28.595 and listen up. In this example it is highly likely that there will be no stations disturbed by the split operation as there is rarely any “non DX” traffic above 28.600. The same could apply on 15 metres – ie 21.395 listening up

The DX Code of Conduct needs to set-out what is the situation for Africa, Oceania, Asia (outside of JA) and South America when a dxpedition is working say EU only, JA only, NA only. FT4TA would frequently shift from NA only, to JA only, to EU only. When are the other parts of the world supposed to call? There was a very irrate guy in Cuba who was refused a qso when the dxpedition was calling NA only – last time I checked Cuba is certainly in NA. I personally will call at any time as most DXpeditions are happy to work a VK regardless of who they are calling.. but I have been sometimes chastised by the DX or more frequently by other VKs for calling out of turn. But when exactly is “my turn”?

Obviously once the three DXpedition goals above have been largely met and qso rates are dropping you can expand out into working multiple modes on the low bands and RTTY across a number of bands. In the case of FT4TA, the above three goals were probably never met because time was wasted in giving out multi slots qsos on RTTY, 30M RTTY qsos, 40M ssb qsos, 80M ssb qsos etc.

I am hopeful that future DXpeditions will take a look at some of these suggested problems and practices – if goals number 1 and 2 can be achieved very quickly, then may be we will have less frustration and even less QRM / unruly callers.

Remember – changing the behaviour of 5 to 15 people (DXpeditioners) can significantly help change the behaviour of 25 thousand keen and eager callers (very hard to do it the other way around)

By Paul, VK4MA
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只看该作者 55楼 发表于: 2014-11-10
上面这位PAUL,一针见地指出了这次FT4TA远征存在的问题,在以后远征时,值得我们借鉴:

1、尽可能多地让世界各地HAM:通上一个波段;通上一个波段的CW、SSB;通上几个波段CW;RTTY,只需要出现在一个波段就可以了;(这几种情依次优先)
2、160米、80米这种难度比较高,小众的波段,不适宜在远征第一阶段就出来,首先要尽可能在效率高的波段喂饱平民;
3、160米、80米尽可能在灰线时间做个10-15分钟测试,如果没有形成比较高效率的QSO速度,马上放弃,切换到RATE高的波段上去,不要浪费时间;甚至40米SSB也可以这么选择,因为40米SSB一般的地方底噪都比较高。
4、RTTY模式,只需要在一个波段上出来就可以了,而且要挑传播比较好的波段;
5、30-40-80-160,这四个波段,只需要在CW模式工作;
6、频率的选择:各波段频率的选择,在天线允许的情况下,最好是不影响日常DX活动,选择“边缘”地带,比如:15米上边缘是21450,那么,可以选择 21395 UP,其它波段、模式类似;
7、分区呼叫:要坚持原则、要搞清楚DXCC分区归属;比如:CO古巴,明明是属于NA,但却在NA ONLY时,被拒绝了。


以上是我个人根据VK4MA/PAUL的总结再随便以中文方式总结出来的,不是他这篇英文的译文,如果有总结的不对的地方,欢迎指正;同时,希望有英文好的HAM辛苦一下,完整翻译出来,相信对我们BY HAM来说受益非浅。
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只看该作者 56楼 发表于: 2014-11-10
这次FT4TA,我几乎通了个大满贯,但看了有些评论后,觉得真的不应该这样;FT4TA这次没有打开CLUBLOG的LEADER功能,是对的;
我们以后在这些追逐这些远征时,应该在满足各波段一个QSO的情况下,尽可能将通联机会让出来给世界各地HAM,因为世界各地有很多HAM因为地域、天线条件、功率限制、时间等原因,很难与远征通联上,如果象我这样通近20个QSO的,其实只需要8个就可以了,可以省12次机会给其它的HAM,全世界的HAM都这么想的话,这个活动会让更多人快乐,会更有意义。

但也许有人问:我让,其他人会让吗?
其实这就跟中国人开车一样,交法规定高速上不可以占用救援车道,但是但凡遇上塞车,总有人去挤救援车道。于是乎,我不走,他却走,反正都是有人走,还不如我也跟着走。
但话还是要说回来:从自已做起,人类文明在进步。
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BA7IO:这次FT4TA,我几乎通了个大满贯,但看了有些评论后,觉得真的不应该这样;FT4TA这次没有打开CLUBLOG的LEADER功能,是对的;
我们以后在这些追逐这些远征时,应该在满足各波段一个QSO的情况下,尽 .. (2014-11-10 22:37) 

靠人的自觉是很难的。 只有把远征的规则安排的更合理化,才能称的上是一次成功的远征。
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