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ELECRAFT KX3 对比 YAESU FT817 [复制链接]

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引自 http://www.hcra.org/2012/09/04/kx3-vs-ft-817-receive-comparison/

KX3 vs FT-817 Receive Comparison


KX3对FT- 817接收比较

Posted on September 4, 2012 by KK1W

Now that I have your attention let me tell you what this post does NOT say!
This isn’t a technical comparison between the two radios. Nor is it meant to infer one radio is better or worse than the other. You have to look at all the features/benefits and figure out what works best for you. And, unfortunately, it points out my amateur video capabilities
现在,我有你的注意力,让我告诉你这篇文章没有说这不是一个技术比较两者之间的无线电通讯设备。
Background
Here’s a little background to help fill in the blanks. Both radios are (or more accurately were) owned by me. The FT-817 was purchased new around 2003, the KX3 was received in August 2012. The RX comparison came about from a 75m conversation with Ken/KF7IYQ. I mentioned I would like to do an A/B comparison between the two radios and he asked if I could shoot a video of the test.
Test conditions
The video was shot in my shack on a typical Monday evening. The antenna used is a 3 element SteppIR at 50′, aimed west for the test. Both radios were powered from the same source, a 6.6 Ah LiFe battery and the antenna switched between the two with a Daiwa two position switch. I attempted to find a very weak station with one radio, then switch to the other to see what it sounded like on that rig.
The KX3 has far more features than the FT-817. The only option in the Yaesu is a 400 Hz Collins IF filter for CW. The CW filter was selected for the tests. On the KX3 noise reduction (NR) was off and the CW bandwidth was set at 400 Hz to match up with the Yaesu. 20 meters was quiet and both radios had their preamps on (IPO off on the Yaesu).
Conclusions
There aren’t any! The videos show what the typical operator would hear when they come home from work on a Monday evening and get on 20 meter CW. It’s up to you to decide which rig, if either, has a leg up on the other.
Full disclosure. Just hours after this test the Yaesu was packed up and sent to its new owner. As much as I like both radios the KX3 offers many features beyond the FT-817′s. I simply didn’t envision the Yaesu getting much air time in the future. That being said I’ll still miss the little 817, it really offers a lot in a small package.
Here’s the videos. Try not to doze off while they’re playing

视频1:
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNTE1MTE5NzE2.html

视频2:
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNTE1MTE5ODA0.html



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这有什么好比的啊 是一个价格么?
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为何国内HAM不敢贴对比测试视频?有问题。
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817 性价比强

底噪靜



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The only option in the Yaesu is a 400 Hz Collins IF filter for CW. The CW filter was selected for the tests. On the KX3 noise reduction (NR) was off and the CW bandwidth was set at 400 Hz to match up with the Yaesu. 20 meters was quiet and both radios had their preamps on (IPO off on the Yaesu).

这段是关键吧,817加了中频滤波器,kx3把降噪功能关闭,cw带宽设置到400,比较下817胜出。
这样有点田忌赛马的感觉啊。
不过在营销中,这个可能会被叫做”错位竞争”只看视频,不看背景估计容易被视频引导另一个方向。
不知道我对原文的理解是否有误,还望前辈们不吝赐教,及时批评指正
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英文不行,只看到一点,不知是不是转载?!

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我的817加了300HZ的滤波器,KX3配了修平滤波器,两部机器我都认真比较过,没什么好说的,一分钱一分货,不好打击817的粉丝,谁用谁知道。
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罗剑:The only option in the Yaesu is a 400 Hz Collins IF filter for CW. The CW filter was selected for the tests. On the KX3 noise reduction (NR) was off and the CW bandwidth was set at 400 Hz to match up with the Yaesu. 20 meters was quiet and both radios had the .. (2013-02-17 23:33) 

没错,KX3打开NR,再把带宽调小,一定会大幅提升SNR,再加上这只是平时的信号,在比赛和DX Pileup时KX3的优势才会体现得更明显
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罗剑:The only option in the Yaesu is a 400 Hz Collins IF filter for CW. The CW filter was selected for the tests. On the KX3 noise reduction (NR) was off and the CW bandwidth was set at 400 Hz to match up with the Yaesu. 20 meters was quiet and both radios had the .. (2013-02-17 23:33)

这样比才公平啊。

KX3有NR抑制噪声功能,得关了,不然对FT817不公平(817没有类似的NR功能?没玩过不知道),然后两机都只用400Hz滤波器。在这样的平等条件下测试接收。

后面应再测试一下KX3开NR后与FT817的对比接收,测一下两机发挥全面功能后接收效果如何。

KX3的NR功能是其带的数字处理芯片(DSP)的一种功能吧。
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BA7QT:我的817加了300HZ的滤波器,KX3配了修平滤波器,两部机器我都认真比较过,没什么好说的,一分钱一分货,不好打击817的粉丝,谁用谁知道。[表情]  (2013-02-18 09:27) 

我说领导锅锅啊,价钱,配置,设置相近的情况下貌似才有可比性吧?

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net2000:这样比才公平啊。
KX3有NR抑制噪声功能,得关了,不然对FT817不公平(817没有类似的NR功能?没玩过不知道),然后两机都只用400Hz滤波器。在这样的平等条件下测试接收。
....... (2013-02-18 10:08) 

CW 带宽设置到400Hz 和加400Hz的滤波器 是一回事吗?还望前辈赐教。
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我没817 但是KX3的噪声确实低。
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BD1CM:我没817 但是KX3的噪声确实低。 (2013-02-18 22:51) 

准备啥时和S9来个接收PK?
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罗剑:CW 带宽设置到400Hz 和加400Hz的滤波器 是一回事吗?还望前辈赐教。 (2013-02-18 12:46)

不是专业人士,回帖凑人气,至少不是有意误导别人。

看意思,应是KX3有中频DSP,可以和IC7200一样随意调整带宽,而817只能是加装什么带宽的滤波器就只能是那个带宽,不可调。

至于DSP调到带宽400、和817加装个带宽400的滤波器是否一样,我认为没有明显区别,KX3的DSP算法和817加装的Collines的滤波器应都是可以信赖的产品。

KX3和817都是QRP的好电台,有一台就够了,进行测试比较的那个老外在进行比较后立马就把817卖了,不过他说他还是很怀念817的。其实,短波段任何电台就那样的,没有质的区别。

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