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假设我和du1sxw做了一次qso,他给我的信号报告是53,我给他的是59.
那么在qrz.com里面的log确认:
rst sent是否填写:59
received填写53.
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rst sent 59, rst received 53
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那就对了,以前都填反了
那就对了,以前都填反了
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sent 送出
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sent应该是发送给对方 对方收你的信号
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sent应该是发送给对方 对方收你的信号
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我也这样认为的
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sent应该是发送给对方 对方收你的信号
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你理解错了 我的意思sent是你发送出去的信号的报告(这个报告当然是对方给你的)   不是你告诉人这的信号报告
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看着绕口令似地。

那应该是 rst sent 53 received 59

对吗?
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只看该作者 8楼 发表于: 2011-02-20
晕了,到底谁有道理?
感觉rst sent还是我报给对方的信号报告,参见下句里面的类似的话。哪位ham给个权威的答复。
never give an rst until the dx has your complete call. just because you copied them, and sent an rst (which the dx likely couldn’t copy either), does not mean you made a qso.

顺便还发现了一篇文章贴在这里。

dx'ing 101
ah, a pileup!   here are some tips on how to get the dx in the log and confirmed on the wall, and not be a lid in the process.

this leans towards cw operations but i am sure fone operators can see the same things to do or avoid on that mode.

if you can remember the first 3 tips you pretty much have everything you need.

#1. listen

#2. be considerate.

#3. listen.

#4. follow instructions. if the dx station says he is listening up then make sure you have your rig set for split operation and transmit in the portion of the band he is listening. dx will give their callsign often so …listen.

#5. listen

#6. sending a question mark on any pile up a morse code shorthand for “hi, the lid has arrived” (see tips 1 through 3 again.)

#7. listen

#8. never tune on the dx frequency or his listening frequency (if operating splits). buy a dummy load or move several kc’s away and tune. don’t be a lid! just because everyone else is doing it doesn't make it right. as your parents used to say, "if your friends jumped off a cliff, would you?" set an example.

#9. listen

#10. check your frequency and only operate within the privileges of your license. there are some really poor and illegal operating practices out there. don't get caught up in them. stay in your authorized frequency range. if the dx is operating in the extra class portion of the band and you are not an extra class licensed operator, stay out. if the dx station is operating in a portion you are not allowed to be....don't go there!



** wow …ten tips and you haven’t even called the dx station yet. if you review these first ten you’ll see they are what you should be doing every time you operate, even for local contacts.



#11. don't be a dx cop, it only causes more qrm.

#12. if the dx is working simplex on 14.029, then make sure you are zerobeat on the dx station or calling slightly higher. while you may like operating with no filters, dx stations often will use filters to weed out the qrm, so it is important to be on the right frequency. if you don’t zerobeat then you could be off frequency and out of the passband of the dx station and all your calling is just qrm to everyone. very often i have stations calling me .6 to a full kc too low and they wonder why they cannot work dx. most times i flip on the filter is when someone is too low and i simply assume that someone is working 1 kc below me and they are to be filtered out so stations calling on frequency can be heard. confused on how to zero beat? ask your fiends for help!

#13. only at the appropriate time, send your call once and listen. do not, i repeat …do not send the dx call. the dx knows who they are already and who else would you be calling in the middle of a pileup?

#14. send your call so that it can be copied! just because you can send your call without spaces, because you know what it is, doesn’t mean the dx is going to copy all the dits and dahs and then try to figure out what it is. a good clean fist with proper spacing is a beautiful thing at 7 wpm or 48 wpm.

if you are learning to use a bug… that’s great, but this is not the place to practice!

if you are using a straight key, take your time and form the letters.

there is some guy who’s tried to work me for years at 35 wpm on a straight key and his callsign is dit dit dit dit dit dit dit dit dit dit dit dit dit dit dit dit dit dit dit dit dahhhhh. to this day i have never gotten him to take the sock off his foot.
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#15. if the dx sends “dl6 ? kn” it means he heard a station with dl6 in the call and only wants them to answer. that’s what kn means! since your call is w1abc (see tip #2) you should wait. the faster he works the dl6 station the sooner he will listen for new calls, possibly your’s …do you want everyone else qrming your chance to get in the log? if the dx station sends “w1a w1a w1a ?” and that is your call, he’s telling you he can barely copy you and to repeat your call several times. this is the only time you should send your call more than once. never give an rst until the dx has your complete call. just because you copied them, and sent an rst (which the dx likely couldn’t copy either), does not mean you made a qso.

#16. never ask dx to qsy to another band if he is working a pileup. obviously the band is open and active, which is why they are working that band. you want to deny others a contact so that you can have several? this makes you a dx pig and inconsiderate of the stations waiting for their contact! are you that rare that the dx stations need you for dxcc on all bands? i doubt it. i get asked to qsy to 80 or 160 all the time, and it’s the middle of the afternoon where i am!

#17. if you feel that sending your call over and over and over will somehow force the dx station to answer you – think again.
you are now simply lid qrm and will be ignored and the dx station owes you nothing. once you attempt to bully the pile up the dx station can take an operator break hoping you’ll go annoy someone else, qsy to another band or decide now is a great time to qrt and get a bite to eat. any of these options, coupled with your “beacon” of you callsign, will tell everyone who annoyed the dx off the air. trust me - dx stations do remember callsigns, so if you show up again in a pile up they know it’s a good time to take a break.

#18. if the dx station asks for certain zones or areas then don't respond unless you are there. if they ask for eu don't answer if you are in the us   if the dx station comes back to a portion of a call, ie. "0k1z ? kn", and you are not a 0k1z, don't answer. it sounds easy, doesn't it? you'd be amazed....

#19. never relay a callsign. that’s not a real qso, it doesn’t count. also, if the dx is sorting through calls he has a station with a certain pitch and signal strength he’s listening for and you sending the missing part of that stations callsign, 200hz off and 10 db louder is only confusing and qrm.

#20.   the long path trap. several years ago one eastern us station saw me spotted by a western us station who included the note “lp” for long path on the cluster. the eastern station then worked out the reciprocal beam heading from his location, fired up the amp and let loose. he kept calling me with a loud signal and i kept answering him. after a while i started to ignore him but he wasn’t going away so i would answer only to have him call me again, whenever other stations started calling me. i looked him up on qrz to get his name, then called to get his telephone number and called him. his wife answered the phone and when i asked for him she said he was busy, he was doing his ham radio hobby. i told her this was an overseas call and i am the station who he is attempting to contact. i was less than polite with him and he told me he was calling me via long path as the internet site indicated. if you know anything about yagi’s you know that the front to back ratio works in rx best. by turning the beam away from me he could not hear me… but kept calling anyway when everyone else did. i guess he thought that when i answered him i would magically appear in his receiver? (true story!)

#21. more listening … it always pays off. if you didn’t hear the dx callsign, relax, he’ll give it again. don't be a lid and qrm with a question mark. listen to who the dx is working and what frequency they are on. listen to the flow the dx has to control his pileup and you will know when to call.

#22. wow, you worked the dx on the dipole but want to try your vertical next. think twice. there’s 300 stations calling that didn’t work the dx yet and you just did. count your blessings and wait for another day. if you do opt to call anyway, and the dx does hear you, you’re likely to hear “w1abc b4 b4 qrz?” do not expect a signal report, besides most get the pileup rst of 5nn. he heard you, yes, but you just took away a slot from someone else and were little more than qrm. if this gives you a feeling of pride inside, it shouldn’t. "b4" contacts are not logged.

#23. fresh meat! if you have already worked the dx several times on several bands (and have then all confirmed), give someone else a chance. keeping a guy from working a new one so you can tell the dx station he has a better signal than yesterday makes you a dx pig. the dx knows this, that's why he has a pileup. if he’s begging for contacts, sure, go ahead. i have one station in my logs more than sixty times on 20 meters!

#24. pile ups are impersonal, deal with it. if the dx is working stations as fast as he can, confirming their call and sending 5nn tu … then you should do the same. the last thing the dx, or the stations waiting, want to hear is;
“fb om es tnx fer call ditdahditdahditdah ur rst rst 579 ? 579
ditdahditdahditdah name hr is johnathan ? johnathan
ditdahditdahditdah qth qth philadelphia ? philadelphia
ditdahditdahditdah rig hr is icom 756 pro2 es ant is hygain th3 mk4 at 35 feet on roof mounted tower
ditdahditdahditdah power is 100 watts ? 100 watts ditdahditdahditdah so om hw copy and pse ur name es qth
ditdahditdahditdah…”

these are modern times, there is this thing called the internet and you can find the dx station on qrz.com or by doing a google search. if they are that interested in you, they can do the same. many computer logging programs can be tied to a callbook so they know your name and qth before you send it.

#25. helping others. why some stations feel the need to tell others in the pile up when to send is beyond me. it just adds more qrm. these lids are the same ones who will try to relay for the dx. dx’ing is not a net! if you qrm the guy the dx is trying to work, do you thing anyone wins? never ask "pse lsn for k5xxx". it's first heard, first worked.

#26. here’s where the dittydumbdumbditty (a.k.a. “?”) shows up again. the pile up is going hot and heavy and the lids are coming out of the woodwork now. the dx is working stations with lightning speed and sends his id every few contacts. dx finishes a contact and sends qrz?. rather then send their call, the pileup lid wants to know who’s pile up this is before they grace them with their callsign so they send the sign of a lid … dittydumbdumbditty.

ok, maybe they didn’t quite understand so dx asks again, qrz? and they again answer with dittydumbdumbditty.

at the same time they professed their lack of skills dx got the call of a couple other stations give their calls and works them in rapid fire, then the dx stations sends their call once, which the pileup lid didn’t catch, so he again qrm’s the pile up with the dittydumbdumbditty. again the dx station works several other stations and the pileup lid still doesn’t catch on. *sigh* remember, listening goes a long way!

#27. don't get addicted to the cluster. your radio has a dial on it, use it. a journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step. the same is true for a pileup. the dx station calls cq and someone tunes across them and listens. listening tells them this is a cool dx station to work, calling in the clear! it will only be a matter of minutes before someone spots the dx on a cluster which awakens the multitude of cluster crabs who come to feed it's amazing to work two stations, the first spotted you on the net, and then the pile up begins.

#28. making an insurance contact may seem logical to you, but if you listened the last time you worked them and heard the exchange, there is no reason to do this. it’s just more qrm and slows down the pile up. besides, odds are you’ll only get “b4 b4” and the dx station will ignore you and move on to new contacts. if you feel the need for a second contact, do it tomorrow! (see #22)

#29. research the proper qsl routes. a quick check of the internet, either qrz.com or dx summit, will tell you what the route is.

#30. antennas (and skill) are more important than power. the old saying is “the antenna is ten times more important than the radio to which it is connected.” a good antenna will not only let you be heard over the crowd, you may hear signals others can't hear. an amplifier may get your signal out, but it won't help you receive any better.

#31. know when to give up. you’ve got a poor antenna or conditions are not favoring your qth but can hear the dx. you have been calling and calling for the last 45 minutes and there is no indication the dx has heard any part of your callsign. throw in the towel, stop qrm’ing everyone else who’s trying to hear, switch off your rig and get out the antenna book and start working on a better sky hook or wait a while for the conditions to change.

#32. know the propagation. much of this comes from experience. this is where your skills can put you above the others. knowing when the path between you and the dx is most favorable is the key.

#33. the easy art of qsl’ing. dx stations work a lot more stations in a day than most non-dx stations do in a year. they may have screwed up your call, or when they punched it into the computer suffered from dyslexia or their paper logs show the stress of little sleep and too many qso’s. everything you put on your qso card is valuable for them to find you in their logs. remember to use utc. check the date. remember that at 0001z it is a new day regardless of where you live.

anything you can do to make the dx station or qsl managers life easier is appreciated. if the date and time are correct that can save you from getting your own card returned to you as they can see exactly when the contact was made and see if they butchered your call in their logs. if the card doesn’t match the logs – its rejected. if you claim you worked them at 1900 (eastern time) of may 5th on 7 mhz they will look in their logs may 5 gmt at 1900 gmt and see that they were on 14 mhz… and your card is rejected.

you have no idea what its like to pick up your mail in a cardboard box do you!

i don’t know too many who use eqsl. lotw is getting popular but not everyone does it. if you do, that’s great, but don’t expect everyone else to do it too.

include a s.a.e. and the requested payment for postage. including the s.a.e. is required! no dx station wants to hunt up an envelope and then address it by hand. you spent several minutes sending your card out, do you spend 2 hours a week returning qsl requests? the easier you make it, the sooner you'll get your card. i have had cards sit for weeks because i was too busy to remember to buy envelopes at the store.

not every country accepts irc’s. use only the newest irc’s and be sure the post office stamps them in the lower left or the post office just sold you scrap paper.



in closing i offer these words of advise...
remember, you were born with one mouth and two ears and should use them in the same ratio!

05-feb-2008
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只看该作者 10楼 发表于: 2011-02-20
rst sent是你发出去给对方的,rst received是你收到(对方给你)的。

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假设我和du1sxw做了一次qso,他给我的信号报告是53,我给他的是59.那么在qrz.com里面的log确认:
rst sent是否填写:59
received填写53.
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这个是对的。
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到底这么算对的?
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只看该作者 12楼 发表于: 2011-02-21
qrz论坛就有解释了!

k7mh05-18-2008, 03:19 pm
it's your log, so sent is what you sent and received is what you received.
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只看该作者 13楼 发表于: 2011-02-21
k7mh
so i read station alpha as 59, they read me as 53, i log as:

rst sent: 59
rst received: 53

correct?

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k4msm 05-18-2008, 05:01 pm
you are correct.
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so, 楼主开始是对的! it's ur log!
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dx'ing 101

ah, a pileup!   here are some tips on how to get the dx in the log and confirmed on the wall, and not be a lid in the process.

this leans towards cw operations but i am sure fone operators can see the same things to do or avoid on that mode.

if you can remember the first 3 tips you pretty much have everything you need.

#1. listen

#2. be considerate.

#3. listen.

#4. follow instructions. if the dx station says he is listening up then make sure you have your rig set for split operation and transmit in the portion of the band he is listening. dx will give their callsign often so …listen.

#5. listen

#6. sending a question mark on any pile up a morse code shorthand for “hi, the lid has arrived” (see tips 1 through 3 again.)

#7. listen

#8. never tune on the dx frequency or his listening frequency (if operating splits). buy a dummy load or move several kc’s away and tune. don’t be a lid! just because everyone else is doing it doesn't make it right. as your parents used to say, "if your friends jumped off a cliff, would you?" set an example.

#9. listen

#10. check your frequency and only operate within the privileges of your license. there are some really poor and illegal operating practices out there. don't get caught up in them. stay in your authorized frequency range. if the dx is operating in the extra class portion of the band and you are not an extra class licensed operator, stay out. if the dx station is operating in a portion you are not allowed to be....don't go there!



wow …ten tips and you haven’t even called the dx station yet. if you review these first ten you’ll see they are what you should be doing every time you operate, even for local contacts.



#11. don't be a dx cop, it only causes more qrm.

#12. if the dx is working simplex on 14.029, then make sure you are zerobeat on the dx station or calling slightly higher. while you may like operating with no filters, dx stations often will use filters to weed out the qrm, so it is important to be on the right frequency. if you don’t zerobeat then you could be off frequency and out of the passband of the dx station and all your calling is just qrm to everyone. very often i have stations calling me .6 to a full kc too low and they wonder why they cannot work dx. most times i flip on the filter is when someone is too low and i simply assume that someone is working 1 kc below me and they are to be filtered out so stations calling on frequency can be heard. confused on how to zero beat? ask your fiends for help!

#13. only at the appropriate time, send your call once and listen. do not, i repeat …do not send the dx call. the dx knows who they are already and who else would you be calling in the middle of a pileup?

#14. send your call so that it can be copied! just because you can send your call without spaces, because you know what it is, doesn’t mean the dx is going to copy all the dits and dahs and then try to figure out what it is. a good clean fist with proper spacing is a beautiful thing at 7 wpm or 48 wpm.

if you are learning to use a bug… that’s great, but this is not the place to practice!

if you are using a straight key, take your time and form the letters.

there is some guy who’s tried to work me for years at 35 wpm on a straight key and his callsign is dit dit dit dit dit dit dit dit dit dit dit dit dit dit dit dit dit dit dit dit dahhhhh. to this day i have never gotten him to take the sock off his foot.

this'a perfect!!!!!!
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有时候中文太魅力了就变得罗嗦了!

外文到显得简单易懂!

you are what you eat!
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呵呵。终于明白了。还是英文老师英语好!!!哈哈
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呵呵。终于明白了。还是英文老师英语好!!!哈哈
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you know what you know!

废话有时候也有用啊!